Mishegas Master: What actually transpired was my version of bar-hopping, which turned into a round of blog-hopping on a mid-Saturday afternoon a few weekends ago. This guy named Bo Salisbury writes nothing but utter ranting crap on which he disguises it as a blog His address is: http://www.pietyhill.blogspot.com/ I read a couple of his pieces of drivel; among them a critique of Helen Thomas, dean of the White House Press corpse (sic), which read more like a swipe of jealousy on his part & a big phat fluff piece on Dick Cheney for President in 2008. This man who calls himself a blogger should be wiped from the face of the internet; but then again I suppose he has to find something else to do all day in between designing websites and twisting quotes from the bible to fit his right-wing agenda, right? The oddest thing was, after I left my unusually angry remarks on his blog-page, he changed his photograph four times!!! (I don’t get angry that often and leave the remarks on someone else’s blog like I did) I kind of feel it was a subliminal action or perhaps intent on making himself a shining example of his great and undying love and devotion to Jesus; in other words he wants to appear like a good & clean-cut disciple of Jesus…go figure!!! He ended up splitting my remarks up and responded to them; Rush Limbaugh and a bunch of those other right-wing Christian talk radio show hosts do the same thing with tapes; play the tape, stop at a critical juncture and comment; it’s boring. Why not just write a critical respond Bo? I guess writing isn’t your bag, is it? What follows are his remarks, inter-sped with my original remarks & then my new remarks. Sound confusing yet? It is!
Vance Salisbury: No sooner than I get rolling again and a widely published poet, Mishegas Master, drops in with one of the most incoherent rants I've seen in a while. Of course, I've never claimed to "get" poetry, so maybe it's time to get back to school, so I can decipher "opaque comments that would bug most people" (to quoet a poet I do "get"). Anyway, here's the comment, with my responses interlaced with the rage:
Mishegas Master: Well Vance, what defines an incoherent rant anyway? And you not being a real writer, how could you possibly tell the difference? If you don’t “get” poetry, then just go ask someone, like me. And quote is spelled like this q-u-o-t-e, not q-u-o-e-t, unless of course you’re trying to create a new word, which I sincerely doubt.
You fascist
Vance Salisbury: Hmmm. That's original. Let me see... a fascist would advocate fascism; from the Italian fascismo, from fascio or "bundle:" a political philosophy, movement, or regime that advocates a centralized autocratic government, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. That sounds a lot like modern liberalism and the institutions they control, such as the academy, social welfare and the arts. Econonic and social regimentation cannot occur in a free market society, where individual freedoms, such as property rights, are cherished. Rather, history has shown that fascism incubates and thrives in socialist states (Germany and Italy) or Shinto and Buddhist countries (Japan, Cambodia, China, etc.). For example:
Mishegas Master: Okay…so where’s the example? I don’t see it anywhere. Liberals do not control any institutions, that’s just an old right-wing myth; hell even the press in America is conservative! Speaking of incoherent rants, this is a great way to open up…fascism as you well know Mr. Salisbury, also means to start fights; it’s nice that you believe that you can look so good with a pile of definitions and intellectualism included, but you’re far from it…oh yeah, and you spell the word E-c-o-n-o-m-i-c this way…
Nazi
Vince Salisbury: No, I am not now and never have been a National Socialist or Nazi. I lean to the right politically, so I think socialism is a dangerous system, which may actually be a form of incipient fascism.
Mishegas Master: A Nazi is a Nazi is a Nazi! Although in your case, you’re a redneck which passes just as well for Nazi.
Jesus disciple pig!
Vance Salisbury: Ah, now we get to the real issue. It's Jesus... it always is. Here, the writer is obligated to condescend to me; "I don't have a problem with Jesus, it's his followers I hate." That's a pretty disingenuous argument... Jesus said that if people receive Him, they will receive His disciples. If they reject His disciples, the reject Him. Jesus doesn't disown his followers, who are pigs like me: We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves. Each of us should please his neighbor for his good, to build him up. For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: “The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.” Romans 15:1 – 3 And, Jesus welcomes non-Christian pigs, too!
Mishegas Master: As a blogger Mr. Salisbury, you shouldn’t assume that I…“the writer is obligated to condescend to me; "I don't have a problem with Jesus, it's his followers I hate." That's a pretty disingenuous argument. You see Mr. Salisbury, if you assume you make an ass out of you and you alone. Jesus said a lot of things you know and the more I see Jesus’ words twisted around the tongues of those who are attempting to make themselves look good, the heartier I laugh. It’s rather touching that you use a quote from Romans to try and make your pithy point of view. It falls quite short. It really doesn’t boil down to Jesus, but since you are a disciple of Jesus as you claim then you might want to reconsider your position as a disciple. Jesus was a Jew first and foremost. He died as a Jew and stayed that way, until a lonely band of losers decided to adopt him and make him Christian. Jesus was a radical; he helped the sick and the poor and he didn’t critique, criticize or pass judgment on anybody. How can you claim to be a disciple of Jesus when this is what you do in your blog??? I’m not sure which Jesus you’re talking about, but obviously you’ve been misinformed!
How dare you criticize Helen Thomas, just because she doesn't agree with your politics!
Vance Salisbury: Now here's a fine example of the fascist attitude... "How dare [I] criticize..." In this poet's world, I have to "dare to criticize," because I am not an enlightened progressive. The intelligentsia are untouchable... they are above criticism by someone like myself, from the lower castes. If you will notice, however, I critiqued Helen's boorish conduct... She acts like my kids did, when they were thirteen (and the way I did until I was about twenty). It's pathetic to see a person, advanced in years with an illustrious past in journalism, regressing to the behavior of one of those teens at the mall wearing a "Porn Star" tee-shirt.
Mishegas Master: Helen Thomas is a great journalist and will forever be that way. What’s so wrong with her behavior? People should not be held up to high standards in any field they pursue. It’s part of her personality, so get over it! Your boorish behavior evidently has followed you well past your twenties.
Are you a former burnt out reporter that holds grudges simply because you couldn't advance in your illustrious media career?
Vance Salisbury: Huh? Do I look like a reporter?
Mishegas Master: You write like a wanna-be.
Your simple minded view of the world is typical of the way most of you Republicans think.
Vance Salisbury: Wrong again... I'm a Democrat. I suppose this poet lives in the black and white world where, if you critique someone who makes a fool of themselves attacking Bush, you must be a Republican.
Mishegas Master: I live in a world full of color, intrigue and wonderful surprises. There is no such animal as a right-leaning democrat! What are you sniffing?
If Cheney were to run in 2008,
Vance Salisbury: That was part of the joke... my bad. Cheney will not run in 2008 and I don't know why Thomas doesn't know that. The man's heart is a ticking time-bomb and he's made it clear, this is his last Civil Service job.
Mishegas Master: Sure. That’s what you think, but obviously you don’t know how real politics work. He will change his mind 1,000 times between that statement and the 2008 election.
The only way he could win is if the party steals the election by rigging machines and paying off big-city crime bosses to count dead citizens like they did Ohio in 2004!!!
Vance Salisbury: I think this person confused the urban legends of voter fraud in Ohio in 2004 with the historical episode in Chicago, when JFK won the presidency with votes cast by dead people.
Mishegas Master: I think Mr. Salisbury tends to forget that JFK won the election in Chicago fair and square in 1960 with the efforts of then-mayor Richard J. Daley and his Democratic party, not dead people casting votes. I also believe that Mr. Salisbury tends to deliberately forget that in 2004, 4,000 votes suddenly appear for George Bush within two minutes of the polls closing out there? How did that happen? And then of course, there was the fiasco of the 2000 election that was decided by the Supreme Court and not the people of the United States.
Ps-you spell borscht this way, not the way you spelled it. If you're going to represent the media online, at least learn how to spell words properly, you twit!!!
Vance Salisbury: Okay, so I may be a twit. But, I checked my post and I spelled borscht, b-o-r-s-c-h-t. Unless I'm missing something, we used the identical spelling. Is there some inflection or emphasis a poet would add to this word, when spoken, that I should have indicated? Or, did the widely published poet read my post with such blinding anger and hatred for my ideological bent, that it rendered him/her dyslexic for one brief moment? This person may want to take up writing or some other therapeutic pursuit.
Mishegas Master: Okay, I guess he did spell it correctly, but at least he admits he might be a twit. You know what, Vance? You might heed in taking your own advice, that of taking up “some other therapeutic pursuit.” Perhaps preaching the redneck gospel according to Bo might best suit you.
What follows are my comments to each and every significant bonehead player in Vance’s stable…
The Zombieslayer: Go Bo! Yeah, I've had problems with these kinds of people that resort to name calling instead of arguing rationally. Some other tenants of fascism - one party rule (every election so far, I've voted for at least two different parties. I like candidates as candidates), and gun control. Fascism doesn't do too well when opponents of it have guns. And smearing another man's religion. Well, we can see how he feels about the 1st Amendment.
Mishegas Master: Yeah, Go Bo! Where are we going anyway? These kinds of people? Hmmm, that’s exactly what the Rush Limbaugh zombie-ditto heads speak like, day in-day out. These people? I seem to recall a time when Jews, Blacks, Gays, Lesbians, Native Americans, Asians, Mexicans and every other minority on our planet were referred to as “these people…” Where did guns come into play in this folly? The first amendment I believe my dear zombieslayer is freedom of speech. I didn’t smear anyone’s religion. And by the way, what the heck is a zombieslayer anyway?
Sadie Lou: I like that you called this guy to the carpet vs. just deleting it (which I would have done--but for other reasons). I don't get the opportunity to wrestle with attackers that actually write under a name; I always get anonymous fist shakers that I may or may not know personally. Maybe this guy will come back with a response--that would be cool. Maybe he won't. That's what I predict.
Mishegas Master: Hehehehehe, Vance didn’t call me to the carpet. At least I didn’t hear him calling. I like the fact that you seem to think that I wouldn’t respond, but I have. Why would you think otherwise? Does this mean I’ve passed your eligibility test of being “cool”? I guess your prediction failed you.
Levi Nunnick: Good response, Bo. It always cracks me up when people play the how “how dare you” card, but “how dare you criticize Helen Thomas” is a new low for even that crowd. Criticize Helen Thomas? Oh I dare, baby.
Mishegas Master: Which “that crowd” are you referring to Levi, baby? What is a Nunnick anyway? Could you have misspelled the Yiddish word Nudnik; I think so sweetheart and speaking of which I always appreciate it when a man calls me baby. It shows me how much he really cares about me.
Mike Anderson: Hey... how dare you question truth that is self-evident! And even worse you dared to question the inspiration of a Poet... a Prophetess of Inspired Words channeled from our Great God... Art!! You heretic! Our truth and authority has ruled through the media and academia and the Congress and the highest court in the land for decades and is now... Absolute and Inerrant... and it must continue to shed its Light (even in the out-dated, antiquated, and hard for many people to understand form of The Holy Protest) to guide the way to the Coming! The promised land of Aquarius and the New Order. There is only one Way - that all ways must become our Way... spokes of the only True God Wheel. Questioning the doctrines of our faith in the Perfectibility of Man upsets the Force which we must especially now force upon you disagreeable Republicans!! We can't allow you Republicans to have your way and slow down the only True Movement. Your voices and signatures against our well established and more inspired ideas and doctrines of peace, co-existence, inclusiveness and diversity must be marginalized and segregated at all costs... you niggers! Our end must justify the means! We can't have you conservative idiots at the table with us! No way! can you imagine what it would be like if we had to sit down with, gulp!, the Christians among you!! What could they possibly have to offer we haven't rejected outright from the beginning! You'll ruin everything... you rebellious anti-status qou neo-cons! How dare you stand up to us! How dare you try to be a part of our community...the enlightened, elite establishment! You just don't get it!
Vance Salisbury: Mike, you certainly have the rap down... it's almost as if you've lived in San Francisco... City Lights Books?
Mishegas Master: Oh Vance, when are you going to realize that you’re not cute and funny with your pithy remarks? As for Mike…Go Mike!!! This was the only guy in the bunch that believed in what I had to say…God Bless You, Mike!
The rest of the comments were either deleted or were about Bo’s beautiful former locks of hair. He’s bald now, but then again, who isn’t?
Personally, I have nothing hateful or disdainful against the man himself & if he ever comes up to my neck of the woods Chicago-area), I would love to meet him and take him out for a bite to eat and a cup of tea!
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Meshigas Master... thanks for taking the time to respond to my response to your response. Please allow me to respond, yet again, for clarification and edification.
he changed his photograph four times!!! Yes, this is true. I blog for fun and I see my friends on a day-to-day basis... they like the photo-swapping, so I do it.
And quote is spelled like this q-u-o-t-e, not q-u-o-e-t, unless of course you’re trying to create a new word... Actually, I was coining a new word to rhyme with "poet" -- get it? By the way, the poet I cited is Don van Vliet aka Captain Beefheart. He's probably a bit before your time.
Jesus was a Jew first and foremost. He died as a Jew and stayed that way, until a lonely band of losers decided to adopt him and make him Christian. Jesus was a radical; he helped the sick and the poor and he didn’t critique, criticize or pass judgment on anybody. Yes, Jesus was and is a Jew... I think everyone knows that. However, He did "critique, criticize and pass judgment.." That's what radicals do. That's what you do... that's what I do, hopefully. Jesus didn't come to "bring peace, but a sword" and to divide family and separate friends. That's what He said, anyways.
What’s so wrong with her behavior? People should not be held up to high standards in any field they pursue. It’s part of her personality, so get over it! I'm sorry to come across as argumentative, but you and I both hold people up to certain standards of behavior. I don't think you labeled me a "fascist" and a "nazi" as a compliment. I read your birthday greeting to Joey... that looked like it may have been painful for you to write and family dynamics can be pretty hurtful and destructive. But, you were right to point to a standard of behavior, even if you were using the negative example of your brother. You and I have standards... I doubt they are substantially different. I expect Helen Thomas to act like a professional.
There is no such animal as a right-leaning democrat! What are you sniffing? There are many, many of us but our numbers are dwindling. Regretably, many of the "Blue Dog Democrats" are moving to the Republican party and that's our loss. I think about 34% in the US identify themselves as Democrats, while 48% are Republicans... that was the last I heard. I'm a JFK or Truman Democrat.
What follows are my comments to each and every significant bonehead player in Vance’s stable… You have more in common with these people than you can imgagine. They are absolutely wonderful folks... they are a diverse bunch... in fact, I believe they are comprised of every one of the "these people" list you came up with myabe one exception...
Mishegas Master: Oh Vance, when are you going to realize that you’re not cute and funny with your pithy remarks? As for Mike…Go Mike!!! This was the only guy in the bunch that believed in what I had to say…God Bless You, Mike! Now, this is a difficult one to break to you... I tried to give you a gentle hint in my comments. Mike is a good friend of mine, who lived in San Francisco for years and was thoroughly steeped in the most radical social, cultural philosophies of the 60's - 80's. His comments were a parody... obviously, a very good parody. You'd like Mike... he's the best!
Personally, I have nothing hateful or disdainful against the man himself & if he ever comes up to my neck of the woods Chicago-area), I would love to meet him and take him out for a bite to eat and a cup of tea! To cop a phrase from Limbaugh's audience, "dittos!" I'll take you up on the offer... my treat! Whereabouts do you live? Don't worry, I won't stalk you. My son lived up by Loyola and I've traversed a good part of Chicago and enjoyed every minute of it. I know a great Pakistani restaurant up there... everything on the menu is $2 or $3 and they serve the food piled on those stainless steel, divided trays like in the military.
Peace out!
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